[Barry Lee Hands]

Thanks Steve,
Yes, it picks up some detail, my layout is just like lines on the road, to keep me from doing anything too stupid.
Thank you also Van. I have not read Ron Smith's book, he is a very talented engraver.
The holding material is cerrosafe, available from Brownells, it melts at 200f or so, handy stuff.
And Ron p, thanks as always, you should buck the trend. It builds character.