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Old 06-22-2008, 12:22 AM
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On this project I did the following:
1. A sketch, which I reduced and used as an acetone transfer.
2. We needed some gold sheet so I fished around in the toolbox for a gold coin, and the torch, asbestos block and rolling mill.
3. The coin is annealed.
4. and run through the mill.
5.coming out the other side a little flatter, this is repeated two or three times.
6. After it begins to work harden, it is heated again for annealing.
7.Then run through the mill two or three more times.
8. and Annealed again.and rolled again until it is about .010 inches in thickness for this job.
9.This is one of the areas to be filled with gold, undercut, and with a raised "Burrveldt".
10. the gold coin, rolled to .010 and cut in half for ease of handling. Note the serrations remaining on the edge.
11. the gold is burnished onto the area to be filled.
12. This burnishing has left a mark on the opposite side.
13, This mark guides the scissors, to cut the correct piece for the area to be filled.
14. The piece of gold, to fit the area. It is then hammered into place.
15. the process is repeated for the different areas that need to be filled, burnishing,
16. the burnishing leaves a mark,
17. and the piece is cut out.
18. checked for fit.
19, 20. And hammered into place.
21. Ted Blackburn taught me this trick, a piece of aluminum with carpet tape holding emory paper to mike a clean finish sanding.
22. the gold brought close to level.
23. The sides of this action are slightly sculpted, so I am using a Dan Goodwin tip, a rubber block backed with emory paper to bring down the sides.
24. lines are cut around the gold, scroll laid out and relieved, ready for shading.



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The exquisiteness, blinds my eyes and feels me with hope that some day I will achieve level such as your's.
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Hi,


This is very interesting and very helpful on exactly how gold inlay is done, great tutor by example.

I feel like I would be able to try this and be successful after seeing it start to finish.

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Old 06-22-2008, 06:48 AM
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Barry,
This is really a great tutorial, you've shown all the steps well. One question, when you finish inlaying the gold and then cut a line around it, what keeps the gold from loosening.
Great job,
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Thanks Barry, Very helpful...
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Absolutely outstanding Barry. Thank you so much. rickw
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Old 06-22-2008, 09:27 AM
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Great information Barry! And great work! I always admire your work and methods. Thanks for the pics and information.

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Old 06-22-2008, 11:19 AM
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Hi Barry, I like your work but I have a question about the drawing that I don't understand, In the upper part of the large drawing the leaves in the scroll appear different than the rest of the engraving or I should say more of the different leaves than the rest. and that the termination of the scroll overlaps those same leaves, I can't tell from what I can see is you corrected that or left them in tact in the engraving and why. I am not being critical, I just don't understand.

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Old 06-22-2008, 11:44 AM
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Thanks for all the kind words.
Gene, the line around the gold is cut in the steel, not the gold, and the teeth in the burr field are enough to hold the gold, even if the undercut was not there.
Neil, good observation, you are correct.
the drawing is just a sketch, when it gets on the metal, I always adjust it to suit reality.
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Fantastic!!

Is that coin 24k or 22k and does it make a difference for this type of inlay?


Ya know, out here in the country, I'll have to wait for the coal train and put the coin on the tracks.

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Old 06-22-2008, 06:37 PM
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I am assuming that the coin is a kugerrand, am I correct? I assume you use the coins because you got a good deal on them at one time. I think that usually gold sheet would normaly be used? Is the roller time consuming compared to just getting sheet?

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one nice thing about gold coins (at leat 24K and 22K ones) is your paying market value on the gold. When you buy sheet, you also pay a milling surcharge that is added onto the gold price. Hence I try to buy fine silver bullion. Now is the cost savings there when you factor the time into rolling out the coin? Probably not, but its fun none the less....

Awesome job there on the inlay.
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:09 PM
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Interesting, I have some gold out of Alaska that is in nuggets and I have been trying how to figure out how to use it or trade it for what I want but the exchange rate to do that eats up alot of gold.

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Great tutorial, beautiful work:whoo: Dave
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Old 06-22-2008, 08:12 PM
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The coins are .9999 fine 24k canadian maple leaf 1oz.
I prefer to Mill my own sheet because then it is whatever dimension I wish for the job at hand. I buy all my wire from Hoover and Strong as I have found it time consuming and frustrating to pull wire, I have done a lot in the past.
the 22 K Krugerrands are pink gold and are too hard for this kind of general work, but they can be used for other things.
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Old 06-22-2008, 09:07 PM
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barry lee : that was a great work of art and you are to be conrgratuated for such a fine sample of your talent. sincerly john88
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That's great Barry ... thank-you.

Very informative thread and excellent work.
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Old 06-22-2008, 11:32 PM
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Barry, interesting info on the coins, I guess I will have to get some maple leaves and a roller, anything for a new tool.

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Old 06-23-2008, 06:38 AM
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Hi Barry,
Excellent work as always, and thank you showing us. this type of tutorial is always of great value to us

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Old 06-23-2008, 07:54 AM
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Barry, Another great lesson. I have a couple of questions. It looks as though only some of the gold is outlined. If that is true, what is reason that some are outlined and some not. What is the thinking behind making that kind of decision. It seems to stand out better when outlined.
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Old 06-23-2008, 08:17 AM
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Thanks, guys.
Metalman, the gold that is not out lined now will have shade lines run to it later, I will post some pics when I get them done.
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Interesting, I have some gold out of Alaska that is in nuggets and I have been trying how to figure out how to use it or trade it for what I want but the exchange rate to do that eats up alot of gold.
The best thing to do is send it out for refinement, there are a lot of options with refiners and there is a cost to do that, but in the end you will then have 24K gold for useage
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Old 06-23-2008, 02:24 PM
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Pat P. thanks for the tip.

Barry, It would be good of you to keep us posted on your project. I would like to see it completed. Keep posting.

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Thanks Barry for taking the time and putting in the effort to post such a complete series.

A picture is worth a thousand words - so you have just written a book. VERY NICELY DONE, and thanks again for the time and effort.

You, and others like you, are what make this world a better place, willingness to share.
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Old 06-24-2008, 01:30 PM
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Danny, thanks, and you are welcome.
I have another project that is going to get posted that I have finished, but the client asked me to keep back for a while.
It really is not too difficult to do these, I don't really think of them as tutorials, its more like a documentary.
I wouldn't pretend to tutor anyone on anything, because there are many ways to skin a cat, and this cat may be skinned different than the last one, or the next
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That is what is so nice about these tutorials.
A little here and there ads up to a lot.
Sometimes its almost a pick and choose to which one to use - but at least it is there.

Any way to put these tutorials in the sticky section - after a couple of weeks, so they don't get lost in the past?
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:31 AM
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Metalman, here is a pic after its shaded a bit, now you can see why I did not cut the wide line in the steel along the gold in this area, it is not needed when the shading is applied, because the shading itself provides the effect.
Danny, I think Steve adds this type of thread to the Tutorials section as he sees fit.
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Hi Barry,
That is great work. These step by step collections of your work are outstanding learning aids. Thank you for the effort required.
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:13 AM
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Barry,
This is really nice clean work...beautifully done. Do you etch your background?
Seems like some time ago you posted the technique of etching the background, was that your posting. If so, do you remember the thread name so that I can search it out?
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Say Barry, didn't you just get back from some overseas trip? How was it?

You are a real work-a-holic, get back from vacation/work and start up work again, get on line, post a few, make up this tutorial and post it - how many of you are there?
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Thanks guys,
Gene, The background here is cut with a flat, and punched flat and stippled. Here is a link to the etching thing I did:
http://www.engravingforum.com/showthread.php?t=560

Danny, I have been at home since the blade show, a regular homebody, hehe.
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Say Barry, didn't you just get back from some overseas trip? How was it?

You are a real work-a-holic, get back from vacation/work and start up work again, get on line, post a few, make up this tutorial and post it - how many of you are there?
I did fly down to Solvang for the Knife show there in April, then on to Davao City in the phils for some biz and R&R for ten days, ( I had time to read 'Triumph and Tragedy' by Winston Churchill at the B&B while I was there), then up to Tokyo to Ginza for some shopping and market research for five days.
There is only one of me,and I find time to study whatever I can about our Art and the related ones, wherever and whenever I may. I am planning a trip to Java later this year to check out the forging and engraving of the Kiris, if I can find the right people.


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Further. . . .
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Thanks for taking the time to explain. It all becomes clear when you see the progress.:yesnod:
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Killer stuff, Barry.Thanks for taking the right amount of time to explain it all.
Here's something I'll bet most readers don't know:
Barry Lee Hands has got to be "The World's Fastest Engraver!"
I've seen him in action and I've never seen anyone engrave so much good work,so quickly.I have no idea how you do it.
While at Grand Masters several years ago, I kept looking out of the corner of my eye to see what "The Rocket" was up to,only to realize Barry was finished with the assignment and had been out of the room enjoying his coffee and a smoke.
Shazaam!
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If you have a nugget from Alaska it is anywhere from 21-23k - the best thing to do with it is put a loop on it and sell it as a pendant it is worth half again as much than in smelted gold.
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Thanks Brian, I enjoyed your company there, and look forward to seeing you again soon.
There is one trick to being fast, "keep the graver in the steel".
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Barry, really nice work...and a great choice of reading material. Hope you read the other 5 volumes first. S
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Thanks Sam, I read the previous volume, but not the first four. I have been picking them up in used bookstores, and am doing it backwards, as usual, hehe.
Here is another pic of where it is today. I will set it aside now while I finish up the other bits.

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Great work as always Barry. It is a pleasure to see it. Interesting to read Brian's comment about how fast you accomplish such great looking engraving.
I guess that is what being a "master" at something is all about.

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Thanks Peter, this one is not going so quick, hehe, here is some more work on the lever:


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An old friend suggested I was doing it the hard way, so I dug around in the tool box for some wire, hehe













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My criticism of Barry's work is that he makes it all look so damn easy

This tutorial is fantastic, and coming from someone who is still struggling with sharpening a blank, its nice to know that with practise, I can one day steer towards this level!
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Old 07-17-2008, 11:37 PM
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Well thanks Sonny, and remember, once you learn how, its just a matter of doing it. Work like this is really quite simple.












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You know, just the gold lines looks good.

But when you add in the rest of the scroll....

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Mr.Hands, I love your work, Thank you for posting, Dwayne
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Thanks Steve and Dwayne, this is the gripcap, which I did today.

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Good day Barry,
It is always a journey of joy to see your work and, the as you go photo's is like a book that one can page back for reference, It is people like You; Ray; Steve L; Sam A; Ron S and Phil to name but a few that pours fuel on the engraving flame to many of us

Thanks and keep up with the good work, Much appreciated.


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